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prologic
Reply to #4tavwgq
@movq Sadly dependency updates 🤦‍♂️
5 hours ago
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movq
Reply to #4tavwgq
@prologic What’s the offending commit according to your bisect?
6 hours ago
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prologic
Reply to #njhluoq
@movq Yeah agreed, but there does appear to be a lot of hype around rust for sure 🤣
8 hours ago
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prologic
Reply to #u66jska
@movq I don't think you couldn't have made a better choice myself 👌
8 hours ago
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prologic
Reply to #4tavwgq
@movq bisect says last two weeks 🤔
8 hours ago
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movq
Speaking of programming languages, I’m so glad that I’ve spent so much time doing C and a little bit of Assembler over the years. It’s the perfect foundation for my recently acquired retrocomputing hobby. 😅 You can target basically any platform with C – DOS, OS/2, Windows NT, UNIX, … Had I gone all-in on Java (as University and employers nudged me to in the mid-2000’s), I probably wouldn’t have this skill set now. 🤔
8 hours ago
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movq
Reply to #4tavwgq
@prologic Yeah, I’ve seen this for a while now. 🤔
9 hours ago
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movq
Reply to #njhluoq
@prologic Rust just isn’t the best tool for every job, even though that’s what the “cult” around it wants to make you believe.

I’m surprised that the article doesn’t talk about the ecosystem and the large number of dependencies that you usually pull in. 🤔 Maybe the author is already used to that.
9 hours ago
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movq
Reply to #4nlm4ca
@lyse

> Yeah, we're quite lucky with this very, very wet summer this year.

… unless you’re living in one of those areas with severe weather: https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/unwetter-sturm-hagel-100.html 😅😱

We had some lovely 15°C this morning, too. Now at 20°C. Let’s hope it stays that way for a while.
9 hours ago
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prologic
There's a new interesting regression in `yarnd` that's cropped up that results in a `" />` at the end of uploaded/links images. I'm not able to figure this bug out yet 😢
10 hours ago
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prologic
Reply to #ielhzia
@lyse Yeah he is 😭

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12 hours ago
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lyse
Reply to #amqwpqa
By the way, @xuu, it looks like you're running an old, buggy version of yarnd, that duplicates twts in the feed on edit.
12 hours ago
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lyse
Reply to #4nlm4ca
@xuu @bender Yeah, we're quite lucky with this very, very wet summer this year. It's supposed to be just 21°C today, good hiking conditions. Some nice 16°C to cool off the house right now, I love it. Tomorrow, temps are rising again, though.
13 hours ago
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bender
Reply to #4nlm4ca
@lyse ah, 26°C! Not even overnight, nor early in the morning we get that cool! Full of envy mate. Full of envy.
18 hours ago
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xuu
Reply to #4nlm4ca
Here has been north of 38C all week. Its pretty ick. I would love a bit of rain to cool down.
20 hours ago
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prologic
Reply to #4awm25q
@bender That thing on the top is actually a tent 🤣
21 hours ago
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lyse
The 26°C humidity was through the roof and we just barely escaped the thunderstorm on our stroll. Only the adjacent rain hit us hard. Black clouds caught up on us and we decided to take cover at a barn. Not even a minute later it started to rain cats and dogs for ten minutes straight. Holy crap, that was cool to watch. :-) Also, the smell of rain was just beautiful.

We then decided to continue our return in the light drizzle. But it then got much heavier again and we got completely soaked. With the wet t-shirt and the wind it actually felt rather cold. I anticipated to get rained on, so I left my camera at home. Plenty of paths turned into brook landscapes, several centimeter deep creeks ran down the hilly trails. Quite fascinating. :-)

The sunset a few minutes ago wasn't too bad:

Sunset
23 hours ago
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bender
Reply to #4awm25q
@prologic pretty cool! What's the top, storage? The same vehicle is sold here as a Nissan Frontier. As I said before, Japanese trucks last almost forever.
1 day ago
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prologic
I spent 18 months rebuilding my algorithmic trading platform in Rust. I’m filled with regret. | by Austin Starks | Jun, 2024 | Medium
1 day ago
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prologic
Reply to #ebsmpza
This is the whole point of this Yarn where I'm trying to figure out with y'all to see if there might possibly be a way to formally measure and manage complexity, budget of a software, system or organization.
1 day ago
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prologic
Reply to #ebsmpza
This article is worth reading: https://htmx.org/essays/complexity-budget/

Unfortunately, it doesn't go into any concrete specifics or any formal ASOS of measuring and managing complexity budget.
1 day ago
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prologic
Reply to #kzjdhia
@lyse True!
1 day ago
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prologic
Reply to #4awm25q
@bender
1 day ago
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prologic
Reply to #uepfgma
@movq well that depends on what this 2000 lines of coat does right does the 2000 lines of code basically amount to a linear set of instructions with no branching? Or is that 2000 lines of Covid include lots of conditional branching that make understanding what the program does, difficult and hard to maintain?
1 day ago
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prologic
Reply to #7rwp7gq
@eapl.me Cool! 👌 I shall have to have a look into these. If you've read both before, perhaps you can share short excerpts or your own thoughts and experiences?
1 day ago
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prologic
Reply to #orggmja
@movq That's what I'm implying yea! 👌 if we can figure out how to measure complexity, we can figure out how to control complexity and thereby keep software systems and even organizations more simple and easier to manage potentially even more cost-effective.
1 day ago
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bender
So, @prologic, show us that truck, don’t be shy! 😊
1 day ago
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movq
Reply to #ebsmpza
@prologic *Or* maybe people do have a good intuitive understanding of complexity and they’re just *way too overconfident* all the time. 🤔 Is that what you’re getting at? That the “complexity budget” could be a good tool to break this behavior? 🤔
2 days ago
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movq
Reply to #ebsmpza
@prologic Hmm, yeah, hmm, I’m not sure. 😅 It all appears very subjective to me. Is 2k lines of code a lot or not?

I mean, I’m all for reducing complexity. 😅 I just have a hard time defining it and arguing about it. What I call “too complex”, others might think of as “just fine”. 🤔
2 days ago
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eapl.me
Reply to #ebsmpza

> how can we concretely think about "Complexity Budget" and define it in terms that can be leveraged and used to control the complexity of software dns ystems?

Not exactly on "Complexity", more on UX, although I use this book as a reading material for design courses, on how finally the user receives all that complexity with tragic consecuences:
https://www.tragicdesign.com

And on that "complexity" that the user doesn't see, usually I go with "Software Architecture: The Hard Parts"
https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/software-architecture-the/9781492086888/
2 days ago
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shreyan
Reply to #jmweetq
@prologic Burro Lake, in the California Sierras
2 days ago
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lyse
Reply to #ag3xjcq
@prologic Haha, didn't expect that from the introduction. :-D
2 days ago
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lyse
Reply to #kwnx54q
@movq Ah, I see.
2 days ago
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lyse
Reply to #kzjdhia
@prologic Your message got a bit mangled up I reckon, not sure if I understand it. I don't find these lists hard to read. The question is more, which of the standards do you follow? I doubt that another package really helps a lot. I mean, one can just use the codes already if one wanted to.
2 days ago
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lyse
Reply to #jmweetq
@shreyan Hell yeah, that looks great! I love it. :-) Where is this?
2 days ago
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prologic
@abucci Oh hey! 👋
2 days ago
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prologic
Reply to #mb3p4ra
@slashdot clever use of someone else's app with an up density in stores in an area.
2 days ago
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prologic
Reply to #ebsmpza
@movq but surely it doesn't just come down to an individuals understanding of a piece of software right? I mean, complexity comes from many different things for example, the number of components the number of sub-systems, lines of code, the number of abstractions, even the complexity of those abstractions., etc..
2 days ago
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prologic
Reply to #jmweetq
@shreyan what's this a picture of? 🤔
2 days ago
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prologic
Reply to #zbwsfwq
@slashdot

> The new report published Thursday dives into the many types of dark patterns like sneaking, obstruction, nagging, forced action, social proof and others. Sneaking was among the most common dark patterns encountered in the study, referring to the inability to turn off the auto-renewal of subscriptions during the sign-up and purchase process. Eighty-one percent of sites and apps studied used this technique to ensure their subscriptions were renewed automatically. In 70% of cases, the subscription providers didn't provide information on how to cancel a subscription, and 67% failed to provide the date by which a consumer needed to cancel in order to not be charged again
2 days ago
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prologic
Reply to #nd3mzea
@slashdot this is a bit sad to see girls in tech shutdown and close its doors. 😢 did they run out of money? Or did something else drive this decision? 🤔
2 days ago
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shreyan
Reply to #ebsmpza
@prologic This talk is pretty good, slightly tangential but I like it for this topic
https://youtu.be/F87PtAoJNtg
2 days ago
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shreyan

2 days ago
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eapl-mes-7-daily-links
**Tell HN: Duty of care | news.ycombinator.com** ⌘ Read more
2 days ago
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prologic
Whoohoo! My HTMX mugs arrived!
2 days ago
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movq
Reply to #ebsmpza
@prologic

> When we think of "complexity" in terms of software and software development, we have a sort-of intuitive about this right? We **know** when software has become _too_ complex.

Honestly, I don’t think so. This is highly subjective. I guess it mostly depends on whether a person *currently* understands a particular program or not. I’ve seen this happen many times: Somebody writes code, they love it, they think it’s great and elegant and simple. As soon as that person stays away from the code for some time and forgets about all the intricate details, they start ranting about how horrible it is. 😂

Maybe this could be a measure of simplicity/complexity: How long does it take a new person who joins the team until they understand the program? (This obviously depends on the individual skills, so this has to be averaged over many people …) 🤔
3 days ago
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movq
Reply to #6sofs4a
@prologic With the *intensity* of the cheering maybe. 😂
3 days ago
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prologic
I've been thinking about a new term I've come across whilst reading a book. It's called "Complexity Budget" and I think it has relevant in lots of difficult fields. I specifically think it has a lot of relevant in the Software Industry and organizations in this field. When doing further research on this concept, I was only able find talks on complexity budget in the context of medical care, especially phychiratistic care. In this talk it was describe as, complexity:

- Complexity is confusing
- Complexity is costly
- Complexity kills

When we think of "complexity" in terms of software and software development, we have a sort-of intuitive about this right? We **know** when software has become _too_ complex. We know when an organization has grown in complexity, or even a system. So we have a good intuition of the concept already.

My question to y'all is; how can we concretely think about "Complexity Budget" and define it in terms that can be leveraged and used to control the complexity of software dns ystems?
3 days ago
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prologic
Reply to #hf77kna
@slashdot So.. What does this mean? Hmmm 🤔
3 days ago
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prologic
Reply to #kzjdhia
@lyse I mean, if there was a standardize easier to read list somewhere we could potentially create a shed Go package that defines these constants, right?
3 days ago
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